A Major-League baseball team
had an intriguing game recently ... a collaborative no-hitter (or "shut-out"). Something like
five or six different pitchers were involved for their team, ranging from a few innings to a
couple batters faced, yet none allowed a hit by a batter of the other team. It was a new
record for how many pitchers collaborated to make a no-hitter. It may have been
a record as a collaborative event in baseball, but ... it's nothing
new or unusual for Neuro-Typical conversations.
Friend and fellow
"free-range Aspergian" Bryan made a comment a few posts back that for
Neuro-Typicals (NT's for now?), conversations are essentially a collaborative process,
rather than each person actually trying to communicate their thoughts
individually. That conversations aren't composed of individuals sharing their
own thoughts with the group so much
as a "thought-process" being shared by the group.
Fragmental thoughts shared and combined as a collaborative thought process
... that is as NT as you can get. I think that is especially the form
that general time-killing/filling conversations take among NT's. Someone starts
things off saying "X" ... which may be either a complete
"classical" sentence or two, or perhaps just a clause of a sentence,
a fragment of a thought. Someone else will say some other little bit that in
some way seems to them have something to do with the first thought-fragment;
then another makes a similar fragmental comment but ... spun to something a bit
different. Then someone else makes a comment that somehow takes off from the last fragment (but to what
seems for us Aspy's a completely different subject matter), and the process
repeats itself. Over and over.
As close to "normal" as I appear to most people, this sort of
discussion is a LANDMINE waiting to explode around me (and all other Aspy's)
any moment. It's based heavily on that shared data-flow of eye/vocal/facial/body/breath inflections that NT's gather without needing to think about, and which shapes their concepts of "what" the conversation is about each moment.
Remember the explanation above ... the part where I noted the spins and
take-offs to what seems a different
subject matter? Think about any "general" conversation you are part
of. The subject matter of the words does jump around a lot ... but yet in
reality to the NT's, the conversation
apparently continues without such a jump. All the NT's there seem to understand
the links between the "apparent" jumps, or at least, understand that
this shift in word-subject is simply part of continuing the same conversational
pattern of the group. It is the pattern
of the conversation that is really the
main shared communication. This group collaborative-talking process.
We Spectrumites may
see some of the 'connecting' pieces between the fragments, and we may
say something that feels a 'fit' to the other NT folks there. But no
matter how hard
we study NT's in real-life, in real-time we will miss probably 80% or
more of the
full information the rest of the group gets from each
comment/commenter.There is no way we can track such complicated thought
processes based on data we don't even "see". We're going to say something ... wrong.
I've studied such conversational patterns
for many years now. I've had them analyzed and detailed for me by close friends
and delightedly blunt enemies. For most of my life, the explanations have been given
by people assuming that if I had half a brain and was actually concerned enough
about other people and not so
self-centered, I'd learn it ... quickly. And that the only reason for not gaining the understanding they were trying
to teach to me was if I did not really want
to learn how to get along with others. If I was ... selfish. Self-centered. A
boor. Thoughtless. A pig.
After one is told this so many times, well, it must be true, right? John
Elder Robison talks of how he heard the same comment so many times as a child,
from SO many people (from school counselors and teachers to family members and
strangers), that it must be true. However odd it seemed to him, they couldn't
ALL be wrong. He was clearly a self-centered psychopath/ax-murder-in-waiting! He
actually felt he should study which kind of prison he should "aim"
for when he finally became what they all saw in him. Not because he felt any
urge or inclination to become an ax-murderer/psychopath, but simply because
EVERYONE around him couldn't be wrong, could they? (By the way, Federal prisons
are better.)
Well ... they were wrong. John wasn't a self-centered psychopath in any way
shape or form. His brain was just wired differently, so his interactions
appeared differently and were misinterpreted by those around him. Seriously misinterpreted. But my
corollary of the last post still applies: this is a two-way smash-up in
progress. They misinterpreted him, just as he misinterpreted them.
And just as I and those around me do. And those wonderful little
conversational jumps that aren't really jumps? I haven't a clue how they work
to NT's. An NT says one set of words that (to me) completely changes the
"apparent" subject matter of a flowing conversation ... but it isn't a change to the conversational
pattern. Yet any slight change in "apparent" subject matter that I
might provide is quite possibly going to be seen as a rude and dismissive commandeering
of the group's conversation. With the other folks shaking their heads at how
thoughtless I am.
I can't get it, and I certainly can't "win" at conversation
either, though I've gotten better at fighting it to a draw or at least a stand-still. Participation is Hell on wheels, and staying aloof and
"outside" is not much better. I know
that if I say anything, eventually (and sooner rather than later) I will insult
or anger someone or multiple someone's. Or at the least, I will be taken as
thoughtless, boorish, self-centered, egotistical, and rude. If I don't say anything, eventually I will
come across as either disinterested in others, ridiculously shy, or lacking in
proper social graces by refusing to engage with others in "proper"
social interactions. A self-centered boor by a different means.
But life is a participation sport, just like baseball. It's a
"purist" sport, however. No designated conversationalists or
relief-talkers allowed ... but oh well, many consider the designated hitter an
apostasy even in baseball.
Excellent insights here.
ReplyDeleteYour comment about "designated conversationalists" or "relief talkers" is funny. I grew up as a very shy NT. As a young adult, I clung to my Aspie husband in social situations and he was my ice breaker and designated conversationalist. He seemed to find it so easy to go up to strangers and start conversations. I got to know many interesting people by just following him around.
I noted that he went on too long when it was his turn to talk and went into more detail than most listeners were interested in hearing. Even when the listener was getting fidgety, he seemed to have a hard time stopping himself. He has learned to keep his comments shorter in casual social situations. He is right. Few people would recognize him as an Aspie.
I can keep it "shorter" now ... and typically do -- though certainly not always. Much of the time I don't say much in public anymore. What's the use, really? I don't know how to play the game the NT's are playing. And my brain isn't wired to enjoy fragments anymore than to understand how to use them without sounding quite stupid, which is what happens when I try.
ReplyDeleteAnd yea ... young Aspy's/Aut-boy's running around trying to connect with other humans can be nearly fearless in the attempt, as they don't realize just how awful they appear to others.